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It’s Impossible to Get Used to the Hermitage
An Interview for the Teacher’s Newspaper
1 November 2011
The Romanov family held dynastic authority of the Hermitage for a
century and a half. Mikhail Piotrovsky, in his turn, has embodied the
dynastic directorship of the nation’s main museum, passed on to him by
his father, for almost 20 years. The royal tradition is still alive and
well. Perhaps this is right. Frequent successions are unsuitable for the
custodians of global treasures; whose hands such things fall into is not
to be taken lightly. The Piotrovskys are a Russian noble family with polish
roots. Mikhail Piotrovsky’s father, Boris Borisovich, was a world-famous
archaeologist, the mind behind the sensational excavations of the ancient
Urartaean fortress of Teishebaini, near Yerevan. He spent his entire life
working at the Hermitage, and was its director for 26 years. A few months
after the death of his father, Mikhail Piotrovsky, who is also an academic
and archeologist, was invited to the Hermitage as Deputy Scientific Director,
and, after a while, took on the post of director.
-Your father was in charge of the Hermitage during a time that was
hardly fit for reform, a tendency that even extended to the world of museums.
None the less, he got a lot done. Most importantly, he opened a window
to Europe for the Hermitage, brought it onto the global cultural landscape.
You took charge of the museum in 1992, which was, not to put too fine
a point on it, not a great time for the museum. The revolutionary changes
taking place in the country as a whole could not fail to affect the Hermitage
as well. What did you have to deal with back then?
- The Hermitage was in good condition when I took it over. The museum
was not in any particular distress. There were two troubling issues. First
of all, the Hermitage had been practically without financing for several
years; its fac,ade and interiors had deteriorated substantially, and all
of this required repairs. Second, the psychological atmosphere in the
museum was positively foul.
- Was that the usual rough patch that comes from a change of management?
Factions that grew up during that transition period and started feuding?
-No, it was something else. It would be more accurate to say that it
was based on politics. The mood that prevailed on the streets came into
the museum as well. And the people, instead of carrying on with the work
of the museum, were constantly trying to figure out who was backing who,
what direction the country was going, whose fault it was and what to do
about it. Politics sparked quarrels everywhere.
- Was the staff really that politicized?
- Immeasurably so. It was the same thing that happened in the 20’s. The
same conversations, like, “I should be given this position, because I’m
in line with the political landscape of that day.” “Are you sure about
that? I’d keep quiet if I were you. What were you doing before the ’91?”
Politics, as it is practiced on the streets, came into the museum through
the staff entrance, gave people a change to grind their own personal axes,
take out their frustrations on someone else, work out their psychological
complexes. That created a great deal of internal tension, which was unacceptable
in a national museum, where the most important thing is stability and
the steadfastness of tradition.
- Should museum workers ideally not be involved in politics?
- It isn’t politics as such, it’s the political struggle on the street,
because that can be destructive for a museum. Its employees should embody
a certain healthy conservatism. Regardless, we will always be involved
in politics in one way or another. I’m referring to cultural politics,
which we are obligated to affect to one extent or another. After all,
the Hermitage is one of the symbols of Russia, and its condition mirrors
that of the country as a whole. This means that one naturally winds up
being involved in politics. The director of the Hermitage can’t say, “To
hell with your politics, I’m sick of you!” But when necessary, the director
of the Hermitage ought to keep a certain distance from politics, not permit
it to have a destructive effect on the museum’s traditions, or exert influence
that runs counter to the interests of culture.
- So, does that mean that, ultimately, the director of the Hermitage
also has to be a politician?
- That seems excessive to me. He has to know how to manage the museum,
to guide it, like a ship, turn its sails towards the right societal winds.
But not be eager to play politics.
- How does it feel to know that you are the head custodian of priceless
things? Can a person get used to that?
- It’s impossible to get used to the Hermitage. Inner agitation takes
hold of everyone here. But when you’re also responsible for the place,
when you have two telephones next to your bed that might ring at any moment
with the news that, heaven forbid, there’s been a fire or a flood… but
one also has to be prepared for an event like that, and it’s impossible
to get used to. When I’m facing various unpleasantness and my wife starts
to worry about them, I say, “What can I do, it’s part of my job description.”
- In summer of 2006, when the press exploded with a sensational story
of global proportions - more than 200 pieces of art had disappeared from
the Hermitage, what did you experience? Was it a shock?
- No, it wasn’t a shock, since we discovered the loss ourselves.
- Was there any hesitation about whether or not to announce it?
- Yes, there was some hesitation. After all, in principle we could have
not announced it. Or we could have explained it, but not very conspicuously.
There were similar thefts in other countries, even at major museums, and
they didn’t make a great deal of noise. There were some in Russian museums
as well. But, first of all, I think that honesty is the best policy; we
also make our problems and difficulties public — the moment something
happens, we call a press conference. Second, there was a great deal that
was mysterious and incomprehensible about the theft. How could a person
remove things he was trusted to guard from the museum? To remove more
than two hundred items, one at a time; think of the nerves they must have
had. And is it possible that no one from our museum was complicit in it,
and in the world of antiques collectors, not a single soul knew that they
were seeing goods that were stolen from the Hermitage? There was a sense
that it couldn’t be that simple, that there was an invisible contest underway;
who will be the first to announce it? We were the first to announce it.
Furthermore, before we announced it, we prepared all the materials necessary
for every official that we were obligated to report the incident too would
hear about it not from the police, not from the press, but from us.
- Did you inform the national government or just the Ministry of Culture?
- We informed everyone who must be informed after such an event. I brought
the documents to Moscow on Friday and delivered them where they needed
to go. I called the police on Monday morning, and also called a press
conference.
- And did the flood of publications that came out the next day and
didn’t wane for three weeks shock you?
- Yes, that was something one might be shocked by. Many publications
printed issue after issue with articles full of ill wishes, and, at times,
even spiteful remarks. With unambiguous pathos, they would say “If government
museums aren’t able to ensure the safety of cultural treasures that are
the very pride of the country, then we need to create private museums,
they can handle the job better”. In some places this line of thinking
was espoused openly, in others it was somewhat masked, but that was the
thrust of it. It isn’t so simple. I said then and am willing to repeat
now, what happened then looks like an attempt at raiding our museums.
There isn’t even very much state property left, but they see it as though
what we have is a huge vista of opportunities for privatization.
- After what happened, were you able to improve how the Hermitage
collection is protected?
- We have continued to do what we did before, but we have been able to
concentrate our effort. A new addition to the storage area is being prepared.
Now, finally, everyone understands how important these storage areas are.
It seems to me that after this affair, it has become possible to increase
the government’s interest in the state not only of the Hermitage, but
of all our country’s other museums as well. I would like to believe that
have reached the end of many years of the government looking with disdain
at what most people called “treasures.” They aren’t treasures. They are
our cultural inheritance, which is a hundred times more important. It
is what gives us the right to rebirth. A museum is a way of bringing people
back to life.
- Do you have favorite halls in the Hermitage that you go to by a
spiritual attraction rather than your professional duty?
- In general, I tend to go to favorite halls in other museums. It’s almost
impossible at the Hermitage, where I look at it from the director’s perspective,
and notice things that have nothing to do with art.
- But do you sometimes feel the need to go to a particular hall?
- It’s a different hall every time.
- Depending on your mood?
- Well, maybe so.
- Could you tell us which places they are?
- No, I can’t. The goes for my favorite artists as well. I have a few
favorites, but I never say exactly who. I am the director of a state museum
that belongs to the top three in the world, and no one should find my
personal aesthetic predilections especially interesting.
- You have had to lead royal people and presidents around the Hermitage.
What struck you about them? What kind of impression did they make on you?
- I’ve led a lot of people around the Hermitage. Well, what can I say?
I learned, for instance, that American presidents aren’t nearly as narrow-minded
as Americans usually imagine them. They get ready for visits to a museum.
Both Clinton and Bush had prepared, and it was noticeable. They were sincerely
delighted and absorbed by what they saw. Clinton even came to a standstill
in one of our halls, and his bodyguards whispered in my ear: “Well, let’s
finish up, it’s time for the president to leave.” I answered: “I’m sorry,
gentlemen, but he’s your president, and not mine. Of all our high-level
guests, the only one who didn’t take in the Hermitage was Saddam Hussein.
He seemed tightly shut up in some thoughts of his own.
- Has the Hermitage learned how to make money?
- The Hermitage hasn’t just learned how to make money. The Hermitage
had learned the right way to make money. We have come to understand what
we shouldn’t make money on.
- And that is?
- Well, for example, it wouldn’t do for someone to rent our space and
hold an event there, let’s say, celebrate his birthday in the Winter Palace.
- But why? Other museums rent out their halls for various presentations
and parties.
- With its status and tradition, the Hermitage can’t pay much attention
to what is permissible for other museums. I’m responsible for the Hermitage,
and I say that there is no place for that in our museum. Yes, we have
a great deal of events; annual gala receptions, charitable campaigns…But
all of those are our events, connected with the life of the Hermitage.
Furthermore, we can’t demand payment for the privilege of being exhibited
in the Hermitage. I also believe that the state, as represented by the
Hermitage, does not have the right to sell items from our collection.
- Americans do.
- The Americans who work at the National Gallery in Washington never
sell anything. Others consider it admissible. But I take a negative view
of that. As the director, I don’t have the right to say, “These paintings
are so bad, so unworthy of the Hermitage, that we have to sell them.”
Everything that became part of the museum must remain there and be passed
on to future generations. We can shake up our exhibition policy, decide
that on a particular day we will show one piece and not another. But we
don’t have the moral right to get rid of anything. In his time, Nicholas
I sold paintings from the Hermitage. As a result, to this day there are
things that need to be returned, to be bought back. It is fortunate, at
least, that much of it was sold within the borders of Russia, and has
now returned to us. Furthermore, the Imperial and Soviet government sold
a large quantity of items from the Hermitage collection. The results of
these sales are significantly more saddening,
- Clearly, in your opinion, becoming focused on business, making money
at the expense of culture is wrong. So, is putting the symbols of the
Hermitage on bottles of Italian wine, or on Coca Cola products acceptable?
- Yes. The Hermitage itself produces that Italian wine, through an agreement
with an Italian firm. We also used it at our reception. We also have “Hermitage”
candies, and we also sell books and chocolates bearing the rules for behavior
in the Hermitage that Catherine established down. All of this, taken together,
is part of our marketing. When it comes to Coca Cola… Yes, we allow them
to use images of the Hermitage on their bottles. We think that people
should be reminded of the Hermitage in every way possible. The Hermitage
is a brand, and we are responsible for promoting it. Furthermore, Coca
Cola was the first, and, for a while, the only company that came to the
Hermitage and asked what they could do for us. Today, the money from the
sale of that series of bottles with the Hermitage on the label goes towards
financing many of our projects.
- To what extent should the director of the Hermitage be a businessman,
a manager?
- To precisely that extent that enables him to lead the museum effectively.
I think that he is obligated to be about one third executive, and no more.
First and foremost, he must be a scholar. That is the European tradition.
I could not lead the Hermitage if I stopped giving lectures, writing articles
and publishing books. The director of a museum is obligated to be an active
participant in the world of art, so that his criteria and manner of making
decisions can be based not on a mercantile calculation, although a certain
amount of it is useful, but based on what is on the cultural agenda for
Russia and the world.
- Does your scholarly baggage help you to be an effective manager
or, on the other hand, does it hamper the process of making decisions,
burden you with doubts and force you to act on reflex?
- It helps me very much. It makes everything that I do in my role as
director multidimensional. Additionally, I do, after all, have quite extensive
archeological experience. Archeology is a discipline, which, during the
Soviet days, combined management, the search for funding, science and
sneaky accounting. So there you have it, with my archeological experience,
I find it easier to become accustomed to a market which, for all that,
is supposed to be regulated somehow. By what? Well, by conscience, I suppose.
Valeri Vyzhutovich
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