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I Sleep with Two Telephones
Mikhail Piotrovsky - 20 Years in the Director’s Chair at the Hermitage
An Interview in Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Federal
Release)
Issue No. 168
25 July, 2012
As of today, Mikhail Piotrovsky has served as the director of the Hermitage
for 20 years. On the eve of that special day, the Rossiyskaya Gazeta contacted
Mikhail Borisovich.
You have been in the director’s chair for 20 years. What were you
struck by when you first took the job, and what are you struck by now?
Mikhail Piotrovsky: I did not vacillate when they offered me the
job of director of the Hermitage. After I while, though, it did hit me,
of course (“what have I gotten myself into?!”)
Today, when my Western colleagues tell me: “There’s a crisis going on,
we’re reducing expenditures. How are things going over there?” I answer:
“Well, of course, the crisis is happening here too, and we’re reducing
expenditures. However, compared with what was happening 20 years ago,
both in the Hermitage and in our culture as a whole, these crises don’t
worry us.” Back then there was a sense of total catastrophe. It was unclear
how to get out of it. The only thing left to do was grit your teeth and
keep working, and there you have to rely on God to help you.
A few years of total despair. All that poor money we made had to be spent
on heating bills; we have to save the walls of our storage areas by keeping
the air warm. Salaries were “unclear,” it was unclear how to make repairs;
but our building is a palace, after all! Everything was just decaying,
leaking...
There was a very difficult mood, a very difficult psychological climate,
highly politicized and full of hopes and dreams that could never be achieved.
People threw their hands up, they didn’t know what to do and began thinking
exclusively about themselves, and about money, they forgot to think about
the museum. It seemed that all of the Hermitage’s traditions would be
destroyed.
But once you’ve started something, you have to finish it. Then, gradually,
thanks to your patient work, everyone started to accept that “you have
to work, and maybe God will help you.” God really did help. Because everyone
worked.
What strikes me now? Nothing but the fact that we have a remarkable museum
that is constantly giving birth to something new.
It’s true though, that today, now that everything has stabilized, you
understand that there are pluses and minuses to bureaucracy. The plus
is that everything is put in its place, the methods of cavalry charges
and partisan warfare are things of the past, paper that are submitted
receive answers, hopes for financing emerge.
The minus is that bureaucrats begin to increase the number of papers.
This becomes a sort of invention for them. Where there are mountains of
paper, an order is created that leads to a negative form of bureaucracy.
On the other hand, it is, of course, impossible to get by without order;
the romantic, revolutionary time has passed.
But how can all of that be accomplished at once? It is very important
here that each worker has boss that has twenty years of work experience
He has the right to say “this isn’t how it should be.”
I try to make that worker understand that if everything they produce
is “how it should be,” that isn’t enough. We need initiatives, inventions.
And we get them.
We have managed to preserve the Hermitage from any sort of raiding, denigration
or humiliation. We have significantly raised the reputation of the museum
as an innovator, a legislator of museum fashion in the world. Today universities
are conducting research about how the Hermitage works.
The Hermitage has been part of your life since long before you became
the director. Has that 20-year “first person” period “formatted” you in
some way?
Mikhail Piotrovsky: I have thought about why I became the Director...
Well, what you have to understand is that at the moment I offered a unique
combination of two characteristics. On the one hand, I was part of the
Hermitage, thanks to my ancestry, my birth, my father, my profession,
and on the other hand, I was someone they could bring in from outside,
since I was a scientist, immersed in my subject. Throughout those 20 years,
I have had to be both an outsider and someone from inside the Hermitage,
the Director of the Museum and a scientist who views that Hermitage as
part of the world cultural process.
I like to think and reflect; and my way of reflecting has become significantly
more organized over the course of those 20 years. As the Director, I have
become accustomed to budgeting my time precisely and looking at an issue
from different sides. Whether or not an exhibit will happen or repairs
to a hall, however funny that might sound, I have to see it as part of
the world cultural order.
Of course, as time passes things get more complicated, but I continue
to do scientific work, and I can see that my time is organized more interestingly
than it was before.
I’d like to ask you to answer frankly about the relationship between
happiness and regret regarding the last 20 years.
Mikhail Piotrovsky: It’s hard work. You sleep with two telephones,
you have constant jitters. But when you put it all together, it still
makes me happy; as they say in English, it’s fun. That’s the only reason
I have the right to be the director. If the job doesn’t give me pleasure,
then it isn’t worth doing. The one major disadvantage is that I can’t
go on my beloved expeditions, to Yemen, for example.
In our culture, it’s regarded a negative when a job is transferred
from father to son, as a manifestation of nepotism or cronyism. But in
your situation, it seems to be nothing of the kind. Your name has become
a kind of insurance policy that saved the Hermitage. What obligations
does the name you inherited come with?
Mikhail Piotrovsky: With my name, it is much easier for me to
insist on something, or prove something.
Furthermore, that’s the kind of time it was; today we speak ill of it
a lot, but we forget that it was a time of unusual decisions. When else
would they nominate the Director’s son after his father’s death? Despite
all of that son’s great qualities. That was a time when a lot of non-standard
decisions were made, which, in many ways, have turned out to be right.
I’m not just talking about the Hermitage, but about the country in general.
Many of them were aimed at long-term results and saved us from a much
worse version of how events might have unfolded.
However, I felt a great deal of responsibility for making sure that everyone
at the museum would accept that decision.
The most interesting events at the Hermitage today according to Mikhail
Piotrovsky
The pearl road and the right scandal
1) In two years, we will celebrate the Museum’s 250-year anniversary.
We plan to come up with quite a few presents for our friends. Completing
the restoration of the Eastern Wing of the General Staff Building, open
exhibitions there, completing the second construction phase for our reserves
and storage area, and launching the third stage. We will create new exhibit
halls in the Small Hermitage building, and are preparing a whole range
of exhibits.
All of this is not without the help of the government; our big plans
have been approved as government documents.
2) The Nicholas hall hosts a grand exhibit on the remarkable architect
Santiago Calatrava, which is the beginning of our series of exhibits on
contemporary architects. At the same time, there is an exhibit of envelopes,
decorated by Soviet and then Russian artists for the French Cultural Attache'.
This is a sort of new art, given to us by the organizers of the exhibit
From Kabakov to Chemiakin.
In the summer, we usually bring sculpture to the Hermitage, and now our
courtyard is hosting Luke by Anthony Cragg and the Tower of Snow by Enrique
Celaya.
3) An exhibit dedicated to the ancient culture of the island of Bahrain
presents both ancient archeology and wonderful Hellenistic monuments.
It coincides with the session of the UNESCO World Heritage Committee in
Petersburg, which was meant to be held in Bahrain, but was moved due to
the unrest. As such, all of the members of the committee came to our exhibit,
and Bahrain, through Petersburg, was present at UNESCO. The Petersburg
session, by the way led to the approval of a wonderful program for Bahrain,
which is called “The Pearl Road.” Harvesting pearls really is a thread
that connects the entire spiritual and material history of the country.
4) We are currently exhibiting Degas’ Place de la Concorde, a controversial
painting, which is regarded as “trophy art;” it was restored by our restorers
and brought back to its original size. The exhibit will describe the fate
of the painting, how Degas gave it to Vicomte Lepic, which is depicted
in the painting, how he cut up the painting, how various arguments began–that’s
quite a story to tell.
5) Second Life, Coins and Medals in European Applied Art, is a major
exhibit in our center in Amsterdam, dedicated to the origin of impressionism,
the Nomads of Eurasia on the Road to Empire exhibit in the Hermitage-Kazan
center, as always, shows the encyclopedic range of our exhibits.
6) In August, we will open an exhibit in Venice, dedicated to Titian’s
painting The Flight into Egypt. Its restoration, which took many years
of work in the Hermitage confirmed Titian’s authorship and revealed a
beautiful landscape, one of the first in Italian art.
7) At the end of the year, we will open an exhibit in the Armorial Hall,
dedicated to paintings of all the battles of the War of 1812, beginning
with the Battle of Klyastitsy, where Petersburg was defended, and every
day we will bring in a new painting, up until the taking of Paris.
8) Two more small sensations might be called innovation, or perhaps provocation.
We held a symposium, dedicated to bronze sculptures made after the artist’s
death. They are closely connected with the very important and perplexing
question of the artist’s rights; if the artist has died, and his molds
are used to cast bronze sculptures, to what extent is that a work by the
artist. Different countries have different legal standards for that issue.
This is an extremely difficult problem; throughout the world, experts
are afraid to express their opinions regarding the authenticity of works
of art. This is because if an expert art historian says that a piece is
not genuine, they take him to court. Experts can be ruined in court, even
if they are right. That is why they have been trying to say nothing at
all lately. Regarding bronze sculptures made after the artist’s deaths,
this is particularly the case. Having provoked this conversation, especially
with lawyers (experts were afraid to participate in it) we turned the
discussion in a new direction, and it has continued to move that way.
The second provocation is an exhibit on the famous English artists, the
Chapman brothers, with pieces on the edge of horror and sadism. Right
now, we are thinking of how to do everything possible to make sure this
scandal comes out right. The Chapman figures bring back the horrors of
war and the sense that war means more than victory. It is time to remind
people of that.
Elena Yakovleva
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