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Interview to the newspaper Kommersant
Mikhail Piotrovsky: As soon as we Appear at an Auction - Prices Fly
up at once.
Director of the Hermitage on Generation of Museum Collection
5 March 2010 N 38 (4338)
Tatyana Markina
The State Hermitage has made the largest for the last half a century
purchase – the museum has bought a unique collection of watercolor portraits
and Russian porcelain of the 18th century from the Paris Gallery “Popov”.
It seems that this purchase is the last one for which the museum will
have to pay the value added tax, as the long-lasting process of cancelation
of import tax for Russian museums has been completed. Thus, the Hermitage
and subsequently, other Russian museums are becoming influential members
at the art market. Mikhail Piotrovsky, Director of the State Hermitage
told Tatyana Markina about the past, present and future of generation
of the Hermitage collection.
– How does the last accession of the Hermitage collection –
graphics and porcelain differ from the Gallery "Popov" from
the others, which have been many?
– The main point is a great artistic and historic value of the Popov’s
collection, its absolute uniqueness, as well as the fact that we showed
our readiness for pioneer and quick action at the art market.
– From which means does the Hermitage execute its purchases?
– Over the recent years we regularly allocate money from the earned money.
When an interesting exhibit item appears the Ministry of Cultural Affairs
helps us. But there are some exceptional cases. In pre-election 1996 year
Boris Yeltsin promised money for purchase of exhibit items, and then Vladimir
Putin, being Head of the Government Accountability Office of President
of the Russian Federation provided its receipt – at that time we paved
this way, having bought Soutine, Rouault, Dufy, Utrillo. Then the whole
range of museums also received money for accession of the collections
– the Russian Museum, the Tretyakov Gallery. At that time it was a kind
of revolution. When Vladimir Potanin bought Black Square for the Hermitage
we acquired the whole pool of friends – art patrons. The last gift is
the drawings of Felten – the project for the building of the Small Hermitage.
– Can money available for the Hermitage be compared with the
opportunities of the American museums, for example?
– There are no museums which can be compared with private collectors-
multi-millionaires whom there are many now. And by the way, as soon as
we appear at an auction – prices fly up at once. Once we and Rostropovich
competed over the snuff-box with the portrait of Count Orlov and we failed
to buy it as he gave more. By the way, this snuff-box once belonged to
Alexander Popov – on the cover of his first book there is exactly this
Orlov’s snuff-box. But the snuff-box returned at last, now it is in the
Konstantinovsky Palace (it went there with the whole collection of Rostrapovich-Vishnevskaya,
bought and donated by Alisher Usmanov. – Kommersant).
– Does it mean that the Hermitage has always observed the art
market and you are already able to work at it?
– Even without an opportunity to buy at auctions we have always watched
them very carefully. When we learned about the auction of the Popov collection
and the catalogue appeared there was a kind of pilgrimage of our keepers
to me: let’s buy this and that, just two or three items... We collected
the money. We watched the progress of the auction in the Internet. But
had been bought, it had been bought for very high money. However a large
number of first-class items remained – they were items from a private
collection of Alexander Popov, the establisher of the gallery, this is
the collection of a real professional. And we managed to get in touch
with the gallery immediately and to propose our variant. We were quite
ready for an active action at the art market. It is very important that
we managed to buy it at acceptable “our” price without any commission
charges and agents. Of course, we paid less that it could have cost at
an auction. But for us it was high money. We collected everything – money
of collective sponsors (there is such category, money are accumulates
by small sums), and all our savings, and the money allocated by the Ministry
of Culture. Such occasion happens once in a blue moon; we had to do everything
but to buy. These items completely fit in the scientific program of the
Hermitage, they are our basic themes and this fact is extremely important.
– Watercolors and porcelain are absolutely "Hermitage"
material. Does the museum work in any other, less obvious directions?
– At the end of the last year on the money of the Ministry of Culture
the museum bought a collection of photographs by the British man Roger
Fenton, one of the most well-known photographers of the 19th century.
They were taken in Russia during the Crimean War. At the moment we are
working (jointly with the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation) under the project
of a new storage room for photographs, special reconstruction room. It
is our first attempt to find our ways in collecting of photographs.
We also think how to collect – not for money – new art, for example,
Western art of the second part of the 20th century.
– How to do it without money?
– It may be donated by the authors. Two installations by Iliya Kabakov
were donated after the exhibition. There are some large western collectors
who in theory can donate the whole collection of modern art. Of course,
all these are dreams, it is necessary to keep a vigorous activity and
to show how well and beautifully we can work with this art.
– Can Russian collectors donate anything?
– It is early for them to donate; they need to collect it first. But
we speak about long-term exhibition of works from Russian private collections.
At the moment the museum is planning a large exposition in the room of
the General Staff Building and we expect to ask for Russian painting from
Russian private collectors and West European one from the Western collectors.
– At the end of the last year the value added tax for the museums
was cancelled. Is it connected with the purchase of Popov’s collection
by the Hermitage?
– When we were buying it, it was not cancelled. But in relation to this
purchase I sent some more tearful letters, including the letter to President.
I think it played its role. However, we with the whole museum community
have strived for it for a long time. Now this wall has been broken down
(on 25 November, 2009 an amendment to FZ-281 was approved: cancellation
of the VAT at importation of cultural values, purchased at the cost of
federal or municipal budget for museums and other cultural institutions,
as well as the ones purchased as a donation to relevant institutions.
– Kommersant), and Russian museums can step out to the art market actively
and to replenish their collections abroad if, of course, essential subordinate
acts are approved.
History of the Hermitage Collection
The Hermitage collection started as a personal collection of Catherine
II in 1764 with acquisition of the collection of Johan Gotzkowsky. During
the next two centuries the collection was replenished by means of acquisition
of the best collections and individual masterpieces. In the Soviet period
the museum suffered terrible shocks: in the 1920-1930s a great many works
of art came here from museums and nationalized collections, in 1932-1934
the stream went backwards – by decision of the Soviet government a part
of masterpieces was sold abroad and a part was transferred to other museums
of the Soviet Union. First in the 1930s, and then in the 1940s ãîäû more
than three hundred pictures from the Moscow Museum of New West European
Art, closed just before the war came to the Hermitage. The largest accession
of the Hermitage of the second part of the 20th century was works by Henri
Matisse, which were given to the museum by Lidia Delektorskaya since 1967.
At those years the Hermitage as all other Soviet museums received very
little money for independent purchases. Since 1996 by the order of Boris
Yeltsin the State Hermitage has been under the patronage of President
of the Russian Federation; at the moment of the order issuing one-time
money for acquisition of exhibit items were allocated. Among the largest
acquisitions of the last 15 years – Self-portrait by Chaim Soutine, 1916
, Head of Christ by Georges Rouault, 1939 ãîäà, Rue Custine a Monmartre,
1909-1910 by Maurice Utrillo, ancient Chinese bronze and Byzantine silver.
In 2002 Black Square by Kazimir Malevich was purchased for the Hermitage
for $1 million, contributed by the art patron Vladimir Potanin . At the
end of 2009 the museum purchased Russian watercolor portraits and porcelain
from the collection of the Paris Gallery "Popov".
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